Conversatorium IV

We came across some interesting, intriguing and defying posts and, obviously, it became necessary to have another CONVERSATORIUM!

Would be awesome to see Dani suffering in such uncomfortable and painful positions. I found some nice pictures of her. Here at home we are her fans.

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Dani did a lot of suffering in many movies, some more uncomfortable than others, all of them painful to the extreme and with the promise of more pain.

Of all the work she did the one she enjoyed the most is CruXtreme III – The Callback, where she suffers one terrible impalement after much torture, followed by MORE torture.

CruXtreme III is a film that the most demanding of fans would find that it’s too good to be true.

And now this film and all others have a 15% DISCOUNT! Maybe some of you should take advantage of this deal and get this film or any of our other terribly delightful movies!

I didn’t have any issues with the timetable. If anything, I thought there was too much pressure on you to get things finished sooner. Art can’t always just be churned out in the ways some folks wanted. It also was probably challenging that three of us main investors had differing views on things, and that can be hard to reconcile.

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I have to admit that there was a lot of pressure about the timeline, but most of it was in some way absorbed by me since I was the go between. I didn’t want to add to the normal pressure Jac was going through with the work itself.

One of the earlier lessons Jac learned about filmmaking is that it is impossible and undesirable to make a movie by committee. That lesson was taught by none other than Spike Lee, who shared some of his experiences when he made Malcom X. There were all kinds of different opinions of how that film should be made, what to include, what to ignore, and so on. At the end not everyone who gave some advise to Spike was happy with the results.

That’s to be expected in any production.

In the case of Seditiosa there were many ideas coming in at the beginning, from different sources, not only from the main backers, some of those ideas were so pretty grandiose that they needed a budget equal to Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ.

There were some suggestions, like dialogues between Yahel and her mother and/or father, and so on. That’s just a tiny example of what the ideas were.

At the end, the work was done according to what was the most obvious story line, with all the means at our disposal, and with the limitations of the location, the budget, the time and so on. But the work was done and it was done beautifully and in a most reasonable time.

I’d financially support these current projects beyond what I’ve already given, but I’m all tapped out after investing in Seditiosa. It’s just not something I can afford again. All of this was a learning experience, and I really enjoyed the process of watching the movie come together and the experience of working with you, Margot. I’ve felt spoiled to get these updates from you over the years.

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We are immensely grateful for your support and inspiration to make Seditiosa. Don’t hesitate to send me your ideas, opinions and we’ll be updating you as a great supporter of our work, we can spoil you and the principal backers of Seditiosa some more.

Saw you response to my message on your thread.

One other thing you need to address – that you folks have fixed whatever issue(s) that happened where folks who pre-ordered the Seditiosa film did not get their download code. A statement of what happened and how it was fixed would be great. (I was actually happy to see others had the problem – it wasn’t just me,)

​Our dependance on the different forms of communication online has its problems, one of them is that we can’t always know if an email we sent was received most people do not send a response, or a thank you. Some do, but very few, really.

Another issue is that the company that handles the downloads is the one that has the control of the codes. They do the work, so if one code didn’t work we would not know unless someone tells us. The codes have a deadline and once the deadline passed they don’t work.

We sent codes to all of the people that contributed to the film, some people didn’t use them, we might have missed a couple, but we can only fix a problem if we are notified that there’s one. If people did not get a code until now, they should let me know, asap, so we can correct the issue. Send us an email to redfeline@gmail.com.

Technical suggestions –

Have the arms less stretched on the crossmember (hands closer to center). That position will still be correct and be more stable, so the ladies will be mor able to bend their knees when crucified rather then just stand to maintain balance in the over-stretched position.

Once a person is set up on a cross, there isn’t much anyone can do. If the crossbar is too high, the victim can’t bend her knees down, she is overstretched, for sure. If the crossbar is too low, she might hit her head on it during the crucifixion. There were a few of people working on that and even after testing how the set up would work, and after Jac gave the instructions of how it should be done, still, it was in the hands of the people doing the actual work of setting them up on their cross.

There are cheap small wireless mics available. Attach one to the cross by the crossmember so the victim can actually have dialogue from the cross. I know the lack there of was a major upset.

Having a small mic up there is not that simple. The remote mic doesn’t come alone, it has wiring attached to a transmitter that sends the signal to the recorder. We use those in dialogues happening in under control situations where there are no issues that can affect the recording.

In Seditiosa we would’ve needed 3 of those for that to be effective. A good mic and a long boom is more effective for the dialogues up on the cross, and we had that, but the wind was too strong and blocked the sound coming to the mic. That’s what happened. It would’ve happened with the small mics too.

Please don’t have Simonne have hair covering her while on the cross and looking down the whole time. Bit of a disappointment in the Seditiosa film.

Those kind of issues will come up on any production with an actress with long hair. In a previous film Bea was the protagonist and her hair was very, very long, way down below her waist, but that length of hair did not get in the way, it was too long to move over her shoulders when she moved her head. It was always very neatly behind except when it was placed in front for whatever reason.

As for contributions – I am still in a wait and see mode. willing to provide some support beyond the minimum, but frankly still don’t trust that Jac won’t go wondering off to some other project before these are done – the release of the 69 film coming to mind.

The release of 69 Anneé Érotique hasn’t been set yet. There are a couple of festivals interested in the film, that’s for November of this year, one of them is in France. So the actual release will be either in November or early next year, after the film goes to a couple of festivals.

The work for a film release is not something that gets in the way of producing other films. There’s some minimal work still needed for 69, color correction, sound mix, that kind of thing. Nothing too engaging.

​The best time to produce Crucified Four is between the middle of August and the end of October. We are considering the possible dates within that time frame. All four films will be produced as one, it means that they will be scheduled as ONE FILM with that in mind.

An example, all the “Sentencing” scenes take place in the same location, the palace, and most of the characters in it are the same, except for the one to be sentenced, thus, each individual sentencing scene will be shot around the same time and in the same location and in four separate days but on the same week.

Next week there will be some strategy meetings where our team will define when the production will start and what needs to be done to get to that point.

I’ll have more news about it by the end of next week.

With regard to “minor changes” – Referencing Seditiosa content – Not having different feet nailing positions, minor. Change to a group whipping scene versus what was first proposed, minor. Change in when the characters arrive at the posts (Simmonne was originally supposed to be arriving after one of the others was on her cross, the other being raised), minor. Not including the content of the dialogue short, which was a major fund raising inclusion – that was NOT a “minor revision”.

The script for Seditiosa went through changes even in the middle of production. Most of them creative, of course, like having all three protagonists whipped at the same time.

A lot of the changes were made because of the location itself. There were some practical issues that made having all three of them going through the entire experience together work very well in the story.

The fundraising clips and promos for Seditiosa were done specifically for the purpose of giving an idea of what the story of the film was going to be. The dialogues on the cross were just a small part of what the intention was for the scene. There were other dialogues in the script, many more, but all of that could not be done because of the conditions of the location, mostly the wind and the cold. There were some issues with the mic as well but that was not the biggest problem.

But there are lessons learned in every production and in the case of Seditiosa one lesson is to try not to shoot naked women crucifixion scenes in far away locations where the winds of June and July are too strong and the cold is unbearable… for them… not to mention the bright light of the sun that is too harsh and it burns the skin without being warm.

In the Crucified Four productions only one person will be crucified in each of the four movies, all the attention will go to the suffering and torture of that one person. In the first movie the person to suffer all the torture will be Ligia, who will be crucified three times, different crosses, different situations, and one of them upside down.

The other three characters will have their own unique and spectacular suffering, from the moment they are sentenced to the very cruel end up in the cross.

I believe Talissa The Warrior (Dani) will begin her torments before the sentencing and her treatment from then on will be too extreme for words.

I haven’t seen any comments about the bit of the script I posted. So I won’t be sharing that again, lesson learned. But I will be describing tiny bit of a scene, like, for instance, that the plan is for the torturer to break the Runaway Slaves feet before her second crucifixion, where she will be crucified upside down. Nasty, right?

We still have the offer for those first ten supporters that contribute with 100 or more for all four films in the next ten days – DAY 3 – 9 supporters left.